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If I should say something about myself,
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I´d probably divide it into some categories.
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One of the categories is admittedly
the most interesting for you.
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That is the Romani topic.
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The second one, which is very related, is a poverty.
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Those topics are linked together,
of course, not accidentally.
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And the third one is even wider
category, the human rights.
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But it is also connected naturally
with another contiguous topics
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such as community development or
development of regions in general etc.
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I´ve lived almost my whole life in Košice,
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and in the various parts of Košice,
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so I had an opportunity to meet
Roma people, of course.
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Actually, there was one period of time, when
we lived on Terasa, they were our neighbors.
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And after 1989, when I was helping
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in several non-governmental activities,
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or even the political, for example
for the Democratic party,
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I was traveling around the whole region,
Eastern Slovak region, in that time.
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Later mostly around the Košice region.
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And simply it was impossible to get around,
not to see and to be deaf and blind.
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Roma people, as a minority that
is significantly represented
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right in the Eastern Slovakia,
also in Košice region,
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they were present everywhere
on those trips, contacts,
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in relations, in interviews, in meetings.
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More or less, of course.
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And the amazement, as usual,
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in the beginning is mostly from the settlements,
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from those poor settlements,
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so after all, the one has to take
some kind of an attitude.
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And the attitude could be either
ignorant, that he stops noticing it
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and he withdraws into his own
world and does his own thing,
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Or he doesn't ignore it and then
he has to be active somehow.
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The activity, I begun to manifest was
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when I came up with my very first project in 1998,
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which was to support the activation
of Roma before the municipal elections.
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Those were the municipal elections that were
canceled and then again in an autumn.
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My ambition was to attempt on the place they
lived And I tried where they lived
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just so they weren´t out of the game
and if at least a little bit possible,
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they tried to pursue themselves
in the municipal elections as well.
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Somewhere we succeeded more, somewhere less.
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But it wasn´t in vain at all,
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because enough of the candidates for deputies
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were activated, including those on Luník IX.
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And including then the first
Roma mayor of Luník IX.
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But it was mainly in the villages.
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Luník IX. was a specific place, it is a city.
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So I started getting to know Roma
personally and staying with them.
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And it hasn´t stopped since,
if I can put it that way.
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But if a person wanted to
be somehow legitimate in it
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and not just an enthusiast, like a newcomer,
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then it was also necessary to get some
kind of a professional education in it.
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And that´s why that social work.
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And that´s why many various
conferences, workshops.
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Such courses, such trainings,
such visits, whatever.
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It went so far that through various
non-governmental organizations,
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where the Center for Sustainable Development
probably played the biggest role at the time,
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as the strongest in eastern
Slovakia in this subject,
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I was there when we founded community centers,
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how we came up with many micro projects for them.
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And a microloan schemes as well.
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And also supportive within
the framework of improving
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their living conditions or actions,
for example housing.
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I'll probably skip a lot of events now.
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It went so far that I even became the envoy.
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Not as a party candidate, I point that out.
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I didn't pursue that party line.
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So literally like neutral.
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And even after I finished that position
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I didn't let it go, I didn't close the door behind me,
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but I continue to work on that topic.
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I work in it no longer through some
state or self-governing institutions,
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but through the non-governmental
sector or just individually.
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I am shocked how in those basic characteristics
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and the attributes of poverty, there are
many people who work professionally
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with their clients who are poor
and come from poverty.
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There, I mainly try, if possible,
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through the Bridges from Poverty concept
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to promote those basic qualities
and characteristics among those people.
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But also among the clients themselves.
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And this happens through various
projects and various activities.
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We train or I train, it depends
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people who are either from the state
administration, such as employment offices.
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A typical ideal sample.
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Or the municipality and the mayor.
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Employees of municipal
offices, deputies and so on.
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There are either the separate NGOs
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or there are the clients themselves.
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Those poor people themselves.
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And various mixes in between.
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So that´s about the poverty.
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And now, as I mentioned,
the third topic, the human rights.
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So either they are specific
activities, like recently
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it was help in creating the Museum
of Victims of Communism in Košice.
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Or somewhere in the east of Slovakia
in Sobrance, there are memorials
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and we were collecting data about
the refugees who died on our borders.
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Refugees from Ukraine to Slovakia.
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Or Fero Guldan´s exhibitions "Exodus".
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And we rotate those exhibitions around Slovakia,
there were already more than seventy of them.
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Now it even went to Budapest last week,
because they were interested in it as well.
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Then, there are the books about these topics.
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Spiš exodus in the 20th century, Human rights
and freedoms in Spiš in the past etc.
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So, human rights activities in
the broadest sense of the word.
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The latest will be hold on September 9,
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on the occasion of the Holocaust
in Slovakia, the Jewish Holocaust,
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an event organized by Jožko Klement from Zvolen.
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In more than 80 cities at the same time,
at once, it will be the remembrance of it.
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So various such small events.
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But also a lot of the bigger, specific ones.
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And of course, all of this
is related, it mixes together.
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So a person then cooperates
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either with the Office of
the Public Defender of Rights,
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or with the various state ones,
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such as the Office of the Plenipotentiary
for this, for that
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with a various minority organizations,
some of them are foreign,
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or with the Institute of the Memory of the Nation,
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or the Institute for the Study
of Totalitarian Regimes,
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or with this museum, that museum.
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Fun fact.
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It seemed to me that Slovakia,
or the previous states, Czechoslovakia,
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were quite indifferent despite
the fact that they claim human rights.
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And of course they are proud of it.
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So, for example, during that
entire period, even after 1989,
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they could not get even the basic files
of our people taken to the gulags
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from the Russian archives of the KGB.
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So one of those projects was
about that, for example.
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And so, through the activity of such small people,
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non-professionals like me,
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we managed to get more than thirty-four thousand.
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To get, to bring here the scanned files of people,
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at that time, actually, citizens of Czechoslovakia,
since we were Czechoslovakia.
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So a lot of similar issues.
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And we keep going in this.
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I am currently collaborating on projects
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through the Implementation Agency
of the Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs
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regarding community centers and their use.
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I'm just thinking about how
to come up with something
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to make their support sustainable.
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Office of the Plenipotentiary of the Government
of the Slovak Republic for Roma communities
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It was quite a hurried period.
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Because we quickly agreed that
I would go to that office there.
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And I joined there very
quickly, almost overnight.
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It was in the summer, when Iveta Radičová's
government was already underway.
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But the office was abandoned.
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The previous representative was not there,
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and things have been stagnant
for several months.
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So it was necessary to restart
the whole thing somehow.
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And markedly so much that
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we had to rewrite all the basic
documents of that office.
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It´s whole statute.
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And start in such a way as to eliminate
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the tensions and various
conflicts that were there.
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The financial police visited there quite often.
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And an audits took place.
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So it was necessary to put
the whole thing in order.
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And the second thing is that we were
not there for a very long time,
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because then there were early elections.
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But during that period we managed
to restart it, first of all.
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The second of all, at that time a core topic was
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the so-called Local strategies of
a comprehensive approach.
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And those local strategies, which
were the first major variant of
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an attempt to comprehensively solve problems
in Roma settlements and dwellings,
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were more or less blocked,
or the money had already been gone.
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That office does not have an executive power.
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It is only an advisory and
coordinating establishment.
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It does not have a legal personality.
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We couldn´t even buy a table-water.
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We didn't have money for that, everything
had to be requested and so on.
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Those Local Strategies were approved,
but they did not really work
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because they were divided
between six operational programs.
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And the office as a coordinator could
only beg, negotiate and somehow push.
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But since I was not a politician
and I was not a member
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of any coalition council meetings,
it was not quite so simple.
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Because once a representative of the Ministry
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from his Implementation Agency tells you,
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but they are responsible for it
and it is within their competence
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and you don't have much to talk to him about it,
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then simply if he doesn't feel like it,
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he will mess with you and delay and prolong.
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So this had to be unblocked at the beginning.
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That was one big part of the agenda.
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This was basically achieved, but
of course with the difficulties,
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that were already defined in
how the whole thing was set up.
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And it wasn´t set up effectively.
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But well, what could be done was done.
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And the second such big thing was
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that a decision was made within the EU,
to which Slovakia also joined.
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After all, all countries did.
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That each of them will prepare
a strategic document
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Integration of Roma in their own country.
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It was necessary to make that strategy,
but there was no money, no conditions, nothing.
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So it was necessary to negotiate,
to look for partners.
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After all, the United Nations
Development Program (UNDP) helped.
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The world bank and many others.
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Coordinating advisory establishment, you know.
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So none of your own resources
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and you need to get a budget and so on.
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Who would be willing?
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There are a thousand other important
things at every resort, right?
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But that strategy was successful.
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It was even evaluated
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once as the most successful
and once together with Spain.
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And those were international
conferences, or directly Brussels.
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So it turned out well.
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The concept was also excellent.
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It was made in such a way that
the first part was fixed, ideological.
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And then the second one.
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That is the one that can be changed.
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Those were the action plans themselves.
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That style was good and
it became a kind of a pattern.
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Plus, the principles, that were defined there
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were also taken over by the other countries.
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Unfortunately, as it usually happens,
many of them were used or argued,
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and it doesn't matter whether
at the European level or here,
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dogmatically and thus not
very happily, appropriately.
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A typical example is the so-called 3D principles.
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This is a typical example
of bureaucracy misunderstanding,
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incompetence, formalism and so on.
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It lasts up to the present days.
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The strategy was until 2020.
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Now a new one is being prepared.
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Which, in turn, seems not very effective to me,
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because the first part is already done.
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Those action plans should be done,
that's where it's interesting in the field.
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This is what life is and where it changes.
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But what is done now is again
something like a general part,
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and there are no action plans yet, well, we'll see.
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And what we are still up to
during that short period,
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which was about a year and
a half, less than two years,
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early elections were already held in March.
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And when I joined sometime in July 2010
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and March 2012, or even earlier,
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the fall of the government
had already been voted on
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and it had only been prolonging for half a year.
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So, for about a year and a half,
we could and we did something there.
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But well, we did the positive
examples from the field,
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also the illegal settlements and other things.
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We´ve started an information
system for the entire office,
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which, of course, was not used at the end of the day.
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But our priority was a field-work.
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That's exactly the field
community work and likewise.
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I think those extreme opinions
like nothing has been done at all,
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or very much has been done,
in the whole topic in general,
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are inappropriate, wrong, bad.
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Because many good things has been
done in the entire period after 1989.
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Of course, more could be done,
better, or more efficiently.
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Of course.
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But once on some occasion I said,
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but look, after 1989 the standardized
codified Romani language,
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Roma recognized as an equal nationality,
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The formation of various
cultural institutions,
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Romano nevo ľil as well ,after all.
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Minority education.
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Many Roma are asserting
themselves in public life.
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Unlike other states, we have entire
programs that are successful.
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Not just projects.
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For example an assistant,
or community centers and so on.
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These are different things that
are not even found elsewhere.
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So it´s not that little at all.
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We can discuss the quality though.
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We can discuss whatever.
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But again, be careful, there
is something real here.
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And now, let´s be very
critical, come and tell me
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what has been achieved in the
field of transport, for example.
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For thirty years, one highway is being
built and it has not been finished yet.
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Between the two biggest cities.
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Or what about the environment?
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Let's see which forests we haven't
had time to cut down and so on.
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Or in the culture?
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If there is any culture here, then
despite the Ministry of Culture.
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Or what about education?
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The fortieth attempt at some kind
of reform and the further the worse.
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After all, it is probably time to finally repeat
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the 250-year-old Teresian
reform of Maria Theresa.
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After all, people need to be taught
to read, write and count.
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And probably it's best to start from the colleges.
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So that we have at least some certainty.
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Or what about the economy?
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One moment, please.
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This is being thrown around
in such a way that we never know
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if the GDP will still go up, down or around or how.
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Or whether the cars will go one way or another.
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Or what about the area of justice, judiciary?
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It's just one big disaster.
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Such that if we were to draw
the judges straight away,
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we couldn't get any worse.
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After all, someone decent would
get there, wouldn't they?
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Or what about the Interior department?
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Or when we consider any other area,
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compared to this Roma issue, I am concerned
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that we will find that even
less has been achieved.
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But where does the money usually go?
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Where almost nothing is achieved.
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So the blanket accusations that nothing
has been achieved, all is bad and so on,
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well, I'd be careful, that's not true.
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Of course, the whole situation,
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especially of the poor, miserable people,
is simply still poor and miserable.
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But that is already a question
of generational poverty,
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which cannot be changed so quickly.
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Because the basic characteristics
and properties are such
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that generational shifts are needed for this.
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And the catastrophic examples would be seen
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if nothing was being done there at all.
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Simply, as one friend of mine once
said when this state was founded,
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that the first four thousand
years will be the hardest
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So you just have to hold on, keep
going and don't be discouraged.
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And most of all to control those
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who blatantly parasitize on it, steal et cetera.
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So the whole topic is opened.
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There are positive and negative examples.
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I think we know what needs to be done,
we've known that for a long time.
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The only problem is how.
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And my opinion is that simply complex.
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But properly.
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Not that I'm going to overdo it with
Lunik IX. so that it can be clearly seen.
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When we made the Comprehensive Concept for
the Development of Luník IX, we found out
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we found out that we would need about 50-60 steps
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to move and improve things there.
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And every step is at least one decent project.
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But for so many projects, how many open calls,
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or national projects,
or interventions would there be?
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And for what period?
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When we went to the respective
Implementation Agencies, they told us
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that this quarter of your requirements
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in those measures and proposals,
activities and projects,
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that was already behind us, that was already
being done, it will not be this quarter anymore.
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This one is being prepared.
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The third quarter, so this one is being
implemented, try to get involved.
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The last quarter, that will probably be planned.
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Be careful and be prepared.
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But when a restart or a complex
solution works like this,
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it is simply for an infinite time.
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That´s never going to be done.
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Because always "ad hoc".
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And then in practice it looks like the project
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is first for some workers
in the auxiliary professions.
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And when the project ends,
then maybe there will be a call
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for community centers, where
those workers should be,
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but are no longer there, because
the project has ended already.
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And so on.
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Plus another bad feature of ours is
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that it's all done campaign-like.
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And it mainly falls on those municipalities.
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That those mayors, in an effort to have
some result, grab whatever is available.
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And then either everyone repairs
the roofs, whether they need to or not.
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Everyone is doing projects for civil services,
because now there is such a call.
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Then everyone wants to start a social company,
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because now there is a campaign
for social companies.
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Whether it is necessary or not.
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And so on and always like a trained monkeys,
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with a well-cultivated conditioned reflex.
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rather like Pavlov's dogs, they flock and do
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what just give them the money.
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As usual.
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Do I need a transitional
housing at Luník IX or not?
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But when there is a call for that and no other,
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then I go to build temporary housing.
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Even though it is clear that there is
no chance of transitory living there,
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when there is such a demand that as
soon as anything transitory is built,
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it will be so clogged and overstocked,
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that there will be no transitivity or movement.
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They would fight tooth and
nail for their own housing.
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Well, but can we blame the mayor?
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After all, when there is such
a possibility, he seizes the opportunity.
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I really believe that a real meaningful
comprehensive approach
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should already be implemented
in this new programming period.
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Because in the previous one,
it was the Local Strategies,
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it was dysfunctional there
because the individual activities
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were divided among six operational programs,
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each of which had its own rules,
different time settings and so on.
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So the applicant, which is mostly
the municipality, cannot prosecute it,
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cannot guard it, cannot succeed everywhere.
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So, in the end, there will
be two successful projects,
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which by no chance cannot be
a comprehensive solution
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for the entire locality, community, village.
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In this ending programming period,
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there was another version
of this Comprehensive Approach.
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The so-called "take away"
packages, which were not good,
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because first of all they were
directively invented from above
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and they were dictated what should be done.
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Also directively selected municipalities
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according to a so far unjustified
formula, an unknown key.
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And again, the Atlas of Roma communities
was used with misunderstanding.
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In other words, incompetence
after incompetence.
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As a result, some municipalities got away from it,
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some wanted changes immediately, many times
it had to be repaired and changed.
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So again, something, just not complex.
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Different chaos with different results.
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Of course, somewhere better, somewhere worse.
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So, in this programming period,
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which begins for the years 2021-2027,
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it could really be the case that
the municipality has processed
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the entire comprehensive
approach of the solution.
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And all that, which is, of course,
professionally prepared,
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consulted, assessed, approved,
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it all forms one project.
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One and not fifty, sixty at different times.
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And that one project is being implemented
397
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and is well timed in a meaningfully set.
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Those activities.
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It makes sense and the result
is that the whole community,
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the whole locality, the whole
village is actually restarted.
401
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It is set decently, properly.
402
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,460
And then it just needs to
be maintained or updated
403
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and developed in proportion
to how life brings changes.
404
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,770
But of course, it's not the end of the world yet.
405
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,050
But it is already something
completely different
406
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from such "ad hoc" campaign
appeals based on
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what the state offers or what can be
implemented through funds right now.
408
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In other words, how to spend money.
409
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:36,780
Because the word spending is quite
frequent and is especially at the end
410
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of those programming periods such a main idol.
411
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It's not even about what we do anymore,
but how much money we spend.
412
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We don't spend much.
413
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Of course, in that complexity, one thing pops up
somewhere, another somewhere else.
414
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But every community is different.
415
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So every project and approach is different.
416
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And that, in turn, is an advantage.
417
00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:01,250
Because it's not possible to fit everything
418
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into a linked call somewhere
from Bratislava or Brussels.
419
00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:09,500
People have to do that from where they live.
420
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And some will know it better, some worse.
421
00:29:12,530 --> 00:29:16,700
But as soon as it works out
well for someone of them,
422
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it will be a super good example that
will attract the others as well.
423
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Who might be afraid, or they won't
have the expertise and so on.
424
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,040
But those are already technical
and procedural-organizational things,
425
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which have a solution.
426
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You just have to be willing to go for it.
427
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:40,850
These are the four main areas that come from
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the period of the Decade
of Roma Inclusion 2005-2015.
429
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What was done in several countries
here in Central, Eastern,
430
00:29:50,170 --> 00:29:52,340
but later also in Western Europe.
431
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:58,960
And it was housing, health,
employment and education.
432
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,020
Those four areas are then
transmitted everywhere.
433
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Also into those strategies.
434
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,780
The question of what is the most
important does not make much sense.
435
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Of that, of those four.
436
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Because, when we realize
that if a person is educated,
437
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he has a better perspective to get a job,
because he has a higher qualification.
438
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,020
But if he is employed, he has an income.
439
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:32,040
So he has a better chance
of getting a good housing.
440
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:38,940
But if he stays in a safe place,
he has a chance to protect his health.
441
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:41,180
And just be healthier.
442
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,740
But if he is healthy, he still has what it takes
443
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to go to school and be able to get an education.
444
00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:52,420
And we are back to education,
so the circle has closed.
445
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In other words, whatever you do,
446
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you indirectly help the other
three areas as well.
447
00:31:02,380 --> 00:31:05,330
So it doesn't really matter what you do.
448
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,290
But what you do concretely in life,
449
00:31:09,290 --> 00:31:14,130
you will prefer what is the most
acute in that particular village.
450
00:31:14,130 --> 00:31:17,940
And you´ll choose this area.
451
00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:22,340
What I mean by that is that when there is jaundice
somewhere or people are sick,
452
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:27,300
you probably won't make them go
to retraining courses, because they are ill.
453
00:31:27,340 --> 00:31:29,600
So you probably have to prioritize a health.
454
00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:34,620
But when they live somewhere disastrously
and because of that they can't do anything
455
00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:37,880
and they are also sick, well,
housing has to be solved first.
456
00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:42,130
So it's not like anything, anywhere and anyway.
457
00:31:42,130 --> 00:31:45,380
But just sensitively
according to the conditions.
458
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,540
But that complexity means
that it's all connected,
459
00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:52,400
so at the end of the day, you
end up solving everything anyway.
460
00:31:52,450 --> 00:31:54,760
And a lot of other things, of course.
461
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:59,090
Once in a while, the topic
of the office's competences comes up.
462
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How to strengthen it or in which direction.
463
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:05,660
And whether to put it under
one ministry or another.
464
00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:09,980
And whether to put him under
that minister or prime minister or so.
465
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Tak ten môj názor je,
466
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:19,410
So my opinion is that the office should
remain advisory and coordinating only.
467
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It should not be pushed into the executive.
468
00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:29,800
And I strongly doubt the need
to strengthen his competences.
469
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For a very simple reason.
470
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And indeed from the point that if
it had greater competences,
471
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even such that it might be a ministry,
472
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because there are such a sugestions,
473
00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:45,530
to join the executive,
474
00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:49,660
which means greater competence,
to have more power, money and so on.
475
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:56,220
In that case, some section, department,
or whatever it would be called organizationally,
476
00:32:56,220 --> 00:33:00,970
would be created at that office,
477
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for an education, or for housing,
simply for individual areas,
478
00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:11,000
for culture and so on.
479
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,570
In other words, that office would
become a small government.
480
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:17,740
And it would also have like the
small ministries under it.
481
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And all that so-called Romai.
482
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:23,890
And those proper
ministries and everything else
483
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,940
would be very happy to get rid of everything
484
00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:32,400
related to the Roma topic and the Roma people.
485
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,400
And they would throw it at that office.
486
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:37,970
After all, they do it and they
are still trying to do it.
487
00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:43,290
They just can't quite do it, because that
office doesn't have the competence.
488
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,000
And if there was a tiny little possibility,
they would do it already.
489
00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:50,560
So the result would be
490
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,160
that obviously there would
still be little money.
491
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,930
There would still be more demand.
492
00:33:54,930 --> 00:33:57,090
So dissatisfaction with that office as well.
493
00:33:57,090 --> 00:34:00,240
And the result in the field and in life
494
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:07,500
that the distance between the majority
and the Roma minority increased even more.
495
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,820
Because you want something,
or do you have a problem?
496
00:34:12,820 --> 00:34:15,130
Well, you have an office there,
go and deal with it there.
497
00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:17,620
And we are here and you are there.
498
00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:19,810
This is really dangerous.
499
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,360
It is rather the opposite.
500
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:26,760
After all, the existence of that office
is one of the biggest examples
501
00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:29,900
of temporary compensatory
measures in practice
502
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:32,730
Is there a better example? No, there´s not.
503
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:37,090
This office was created historically
because we joined the EU
504
00:34:37,090 --> 00:34:39,820
and we had such and such problems.
505
00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:44,450
So it was not created thanks
to our enlightened wisdom.
506
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:45,760
Not a chance.
507
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:51,060
The goal should be to eliminate
those inequalities,
508
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:56,010
and therefore, until then, the office has meaning.
509
00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:58,120
In other words:
510
00:34:58,190 --> 00:35:01,090
As soon as possible, let that office disappear,
511
00:35:01,090 --> 00:35:03,770
so that it does not have
the meaning of its existence.
512
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:06,320
So not his strengthening.
513
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:09,840
But are we solving the problem
with settlements and housing?
514
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,080
Are they residents, are they citizens or not?
515
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,690
There is a ministry of transport,
construction, I don't know what.
516
00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:21,010
So why it doesn´t solve it?
517
00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:24,720
Why should any office, which does
not have the competence,
518
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,240
executive power, bother with this.
519
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,320
And that's where those people complain.
520
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,610
And he's the poor guy who can't solve it.
521
00:35:35,770 --> 00:35:38,420
And it costs unnecessary money.
522
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:41,780
And if it doesn´t exist, then who would solve it?
523
00:35:41,780 --> 00:35:45,530
Well, the ministry probably
couldn't get away with it so easy.
524
00:35:45,820 --> 00:35:47,200
So just the opposite.
525
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Let that office be a smart,
professional coordinator and adviser.
526
00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:56,980
If only.
527
00:35:57,910 --> 00:36:02,050
But the function and the responsibility
and so, let it be normal,
528
00:36:02,050 --> 00:36:04,520
because we are a civil state.
529
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:07,530
After all, we are building a civil society. Or not?
530
00:36:07,530 --> 00:36:09,340
Sometimes I don't know.
531
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,280
But we should, well I wish.
532
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,690
In that case, we have a legitimate government
533
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,690
and there are legitimate institutions
and mechanisms for that.
534
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:25,540
To increase its expertise in the direction
of coordination and advisory.
535
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:31,070
And if only that office didn't have to exist.